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Should the UK scrap the CSA and go back to letting courts set child maintenance payments? When the court used to set payments, it did not follow a rigid formula like the CSA does, and looked at many more factors, such as the absent parent's ability to pay, and all of his other financial commitments and family responsibilities. The CSA has had to write of millions of pounds of maintenance arrears since it was created. Perhaps they set the figures too high in the first place? Maybe the man did not "piss off" - it could have been the mother who did this. He could be entirely committed to meeting his obligations. Why are men always the "bad guys"?

Andrew replied: "Let's assume you are a bludging no-good feckless rat who thinks that everyone else should support their ill-concieved brats (not you of course) then maybe it's agood thing. But who would make up the shortfall? Good old taxpayer that's who, so no it's a lousy idea. Further more why men have children then piss off is beyond me, the CSA is not strong enough, men who desert their children should be castrated so they can't have any more, as they will have proved they are not fit to procreate."

JayDax replied: "Back in BC days (Before CSA) courts set child support and often the support was not paid (much as now). It was then up to the mother to go back to court to seek enforcement. If the father left the area it was up to the mother to find him again. In reallity most absent fathers just got away with it. With the introduction of the CSA many more parents (male and female) are getting child support and if the absent parent moves without telling the CSA (Now a 5,000 fine invitation) then its the CSA's job to find them. In theory - it's better but it falls down on three main counts: 1. The CSA make loads of mistakes and work too slowly 2. Now not only the parent with care but the absent parent can face financial hardship due to 'strictly following the rules' 3. Its heavily biased against the male partner - whether they are 'parent with care' or 'absent parent'. If you are an 'absent parent' and facing financial hardship due to CSA demands then investigate 'departures'. The CSA is allowed to be flexible where an absent parent has special unavoidable expenses not covered by CSA rules - they just won't tell you about this clearly since it involves them in a lot of extra work. I would say - keep the CSA - just allow them a little flexibility and a little sympathy for having to do one of the worst jobs in the world - everyone hates them!"

Can the CSA (uk) take monies from a Private Occupational Pension? My wife has recently found out from her ex partners mother (oops) that her ex partner for the last 9 years has been off work with illness related problems and is claiming an Occupational Pension Income. Prior to this, the CSA said they couldnt take anything off him for my two stepchildren in maintenance because my wifes ex partner was on related benefits? Can anyone tell me if the CSA should be taking money from his occupational pension as this is unrelated to ordinary benefits.?

Lucky replied: "Payments from an occupational pension will count towards his income for the purposes of the CSA. However remember if he's only getting a small pension he may be below the de-minimus threshold anyway. If you want confirmation see: "

The Joker replied: "not enough info to tell, it depends which benefits he is on. If he is getting a means tested benefit like Income Support then his pension has already been taken into account so the CSA cannot do anything. If he is on a contribution based benefit like Incapacity Benefit then the CSA can look at it."

If my partner stays at home to look after our baby, and I work will he still have to pay CSA to ex (uk) ? Not trying to shirk responsibility but I earn more than him - his wages would only cover child care.

Bob P replied: "Yes."

The CSA(UK) have closed my case.........? The dreaded CSA have sent me a letter 4 yrs too late saying the case against me is closed,if I return to UK can they re-open my case?

kerijsmith replied: "if the other parent wants to start recieving money for your child that you should be paying for anyway!!! then they can claim against you again although i think you helped bring a child into the world you should be paying anyway"

wtf csa uk only please help? ok i am having a load of problems with the csa in the uk, i got a call about 3 years ago saying an ex was saying that her two year old was mine. i said i would like to have a dna check done, they said that they had already done one and that it had been proven that , i was the father. i asked how could this happen as i had not given an sample. but they claim that i have been proven to be the father so there fore i must pay and as well as the arrears on the account. they are now threatening to take me to court, which can not be legal or fair can it if i have not been tested can it, what should i do ?? pay or go to court

trish s replied: "No,that can't be right..Get some advice from a solicitor or CAB,this must be fought.................."

sam replied: "You need to speak to the Citizen Advice Bureau. It's sounds like the CSA have messed this right up .....AGAIN!!! Don't pay anything until you seek legal advice"

crannog replied: "The CSA are difficult to deal with, and they seldom make mistakes or so they think. In truth the CSA are full of errors and problems with poorly trained staff. You must find out if they have done a test, and if from what you said you haven't then you are not the dad, but that might be difficult to prove to them at this time. Firstly you must ask for a copy of all your files, including any phone conversations (they record all calls). This however may take time, but it will prove if a DNA test was actually done. By law they have to supply all data, but make sure you ask for all fiiles held on you. If you have filled in any forms from the CSA you may have signed off that you are the father. That can be proof eough for the CSA. Meanwhile the CSA will try to enforce payment. If they are talking about a court, then its for a liability order. Those are difficult to defend as you must show that the debt is incorrect and or proceedure has not be followed. If the order is granted then baliffs can come round to you house. plenty of advice elsewhere on that subject. Also if they haven't done so is arrest part of your wages using a DEO, unless your self-employed of course. The only other choice is to pay up and bite the bullet, get the files, get a dna test and prove if you are the father or not. O course you may be the father (?) then its a very different situation for you."

How do I work out child maintenance without involving the CSA? (UK only)? My husband and I are divorcing. I will be living on my half of the proceeds from our house sale and looking after our 3 year old before she starts school in 18 months, at which point I will return to work. I don't want to fall out with my soon-to-be ex, but he is shrewd with his money and I just want to ensure my child is provided for. He will take her on holidays and spoil her with gifts and a life I won't be able to provide. He said he doesn't want to give me too much money towards her keep as this would prevent him from doing these things for her. What should I take into account when considering the amount of money he should contribute to her upbringing?

madamspud169 replied: "Work out how much you need for her to have all she needs a month add on some extra for emergencies then halve it, bear in mind you wont get much help financially from the government if they know he is paying"

killsummor replied: "i think its 15% of his wages thats what the csa will take off him to give u then u have to draw up an agreement n take it to a solicitor"

Is there a UK equivalent to the American CSA (Community-supported agriculture)? Heard a program about CSA on a Slate podcast and think its a great idea and would love to join one here in the UK. I live in London.

Lilith Raven replied: "I think Red Tractor scheme may be similar, it's supposed to help the farmers, it's endorsed by the national farmers union.. Check it out here: "

can u brig an action in the uk courts for non payment of child maintenance without using the csa? How? Do u know any good links or internet research tips?

lydja replied: "Yes - go to the small claims court and get the forms to fill in."

Helen P replied: "His lawyer will claim that you have to use the CSA - however the CSA tend to ignore the claimant unless she is receiving benefits. Catch 22 - but women go to court to get school fees paid, to have enhanced costs -no one suggested that Heather Mills only claim an allowance for her daughter through the CSA. So yes you must be able to, but my husband's lawyer claimed that I had to apply through the CSA - and the CSA said I could not because I was not on benefits. Something has to be wrong somewhere."

wilfred b replied: "no is the simple answer the small claims court will not deal with it because the maintenance will exceed the small claims court limit. you may may a claim to the high court but the costs will far exceed the amount you are probably claiming. because you are not on benefit the csa will not proceed with the case you are in a catch 22 postion. the csa only ever proceed with cases where the money recovered is paid back to the public purse. basically you have not got a hope in hell of recovering any arrears. even if the csa do recover any money they keep it to cover the costs anyway"

coldasicecream2000 replied: "yes, i think you still can apply for child maintenance through the courts without involving the csa. years ago (before the csa) the county courts awarded maintenance to the children of divorcing couples and illegitimate children if the fathers name was on the birth certificate. as far as i know this system hasn't been abolished, it's the meddling government who want the csa involved as a revenue service not as a help for women and children and so i think they just want every other way of child support to just fade away. if you don't want to use a solicitor then just ask for any information at your nearest county court, they're always very helpful and if it can be done there then they'll do their very best to help you do it. good luck."

Has anybody had in dealings with the CSA in the UK? My ex husband has been taken to court for attachement of earnings through his National insurance. I am due for the first payment how long does it normally take from his employers 19th march thats when they sent it in then when i receive the first payment? I agree with you but i have no choice thanks

tracymae33 replied: "Hope and pray you actually get it anytime soon. My ex-husbands employers where given a deduction from earnings order at the end of last year. Apparently they took the deductions in January and February but still haven't sent them to the CSA . Legally they have until the 19th of the following month after the deduction was made, so if they took the payment at the end of February then the CSA should have it just now and they will send it to you as soon as the payment has cleared. If they sent a cheque then it has to clear first (up to 5 working days) and remember Friday last week and Monday were holidays. All being well I would think you should get a payment either late this week or the very beginning of April. Good luck! P.S. been separated since my eldest was 4 months old and have only had about 4 or 5 months payments from the CSA in the last 11 years, I don't have a lot of faith in them!"

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